An ‘Ethnic’ category is NOT the same thing as a “Race” category:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Generation-Mixed/message/4236
http://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/300777016632181

Other Topics:
https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/279223868853420
https://www.facebook.com/allpeople.gifts/posts/164203590359746
http://www.facebook.com/notes/%C2%ADallpeople-gifts/the-facts-on-m%C2%ADixed-race/321878451159708

After listening to this episode, I understand the roots of that justification. Thanks for an enlightening discussion.

Problably through DNA we can restore the racial integrity?? The white race is not a mutation as you said , It’s really an evolution to the north and the cold. All the duality between civilization and civilism came from Europe. We have to protect whatever is left of white purity . To do that the blacks have to do a real effort to be proud of their blackeness , and to avoid the desire of having a white woman. Thats the only way to start the way to the real racial integrity.

Andros, you are a sad person. Every woman is beautiful! I say everyone should date everyone and have pretty beige babies so we can end this race conversation once and for all. No purity Only mixing!! Then we can all be free!

Why your desperate need of race mixing? To avoid obvious background differences ? To neutralize the merge between superior and inferior depending your senses and or position?? Please explain me your opinion!!!!

Problably through DNA we can restore the racial integrity?? The white race is not a mutation as you said , It’s really an evolution to the north and the cold. All the duality between civilization and civilism came from Europe. We have to protect whatever is left of white purity . To do that the blacks have to do a real effort to be proud of their blackeness , and to avoid the desire of having a white woman. Thats the only way to start the way to the real racial integrity.

Andros, you are a sad person. Every woman is beautiful! I say everyone should date everyone and have pretty beige babies so we can end this race conversation once and for all. No purity Only mixing!! Then we can all be free!

…The same people who were pushing for racial purity were intermixing with slaves and Natives. Yet, they were able to make this something that those dark or other people wanted. The concept of race was solidified in the Colonial South. That was when it became an economic advantage to be of European origin. God was then incorporated into the equation, and some folks still buy into the theory that “blacks” are cursed. If there is a pure race it would be the Africans, who are the original humans. All other races are mutations of the original African man and woman. While looking at those colonial records, I saw the pattern set forth, and how it crystallized into laws and institutions. There are people who made fortunes off of these views, and are vested in the theory of racial purity. If there is a pure race, it is the Africans , since the rest of us are mutations of these original people.

Problably through DNA we can restore the racial integrity?? The white race is not a mutation as you said , It’s really an evolution to the north and the cold. All the duality between civilization and civilism came from Europe. We have to protect whatever is left of white purity . To do that the blacks have to do a real effort to be proud of their blackeness , and to avoid the desire of having a white woman. Thats the only way to start the way to the real racial integrity.

Hi there;

Sorry, for the possible stupid question problably is , but as far as you know , with the advance of the DNA technology . It is posible to start creating a pure white race ?

Peter -

Thank you for your question. Assuming that it was indeed meant as a serious one, I will simply remind you that there is absolutely no scientific basis for the notion of biologically-determined race. As we discuss in the show, the very idea that there IS has justified many centuries’ worth of injustice in this nation and around the world.

Sorry, for the possible stupid question problably is , but as far as you know , with the advance of the DNA technology . It is posible to start creating a pure white race ?

My immediate family background is a Black (mixed) mother and White (probably also mixed as so many whites are) father who, so the story goes, could not accept me as his child in the 50′s because he would have been ostracized by his family. I was raised by my mother by herself and she was college-educated and made sure that I got the best education by moving us to predominantly white school districts. I am, and look, mixed race.

Many white people see me and accept me as white (of some kind – maybe Italian or even Jewish?), others aren’t sure what I am and decline to talk about it, and a minority are openly indifferent or even hostile because while they don’t know “what I am,” it’s clear I’m not white. (I can feel this people a mile away).

Most Black people accept me even if they’re not sure what my background is, even though they may not see me as Black. Some Black people have been openly hostile toward me because they are angry at my privilege and they feel I’m treated better by whites, which is probably true. I was raised to speak “standard” English and that seals the deal for many Blacks.

At any rate, I am in my 50′s now and I can say without a doubt that racism and all its divides have had a very big impact on my life. My mother’s family accepts me without exception and my father’s immediate family has come to accept me as well, some “politely.”

Still, the legacy of our sociopolitical and economic stratification is that I have all my life felt “other” and never part of, and worse, never “legitimate.” I used to joke as a teenager when people asked me, “What are you?” that I’m a Martian. But not being accepted simply as another human being is not actually funny. I have otherwise had a fine life and I don’t have any complaints about being able to be educated and have a good career, own a house, travel, etc. But living abroad gave me the only feeling of liberation I’d know until then. Ironically, in Brazil I fit right in, even though it is also a racist country in its own way. But the standards are different.

I also know that one of my ancestors was taken from the Trail of Tears in South Carolina and kept as a slave by a white plantation owner.

Please, no, we are not in post-racial America, and I don’t think we are likely to be in my lifetime or in the lifetimes of my daughter and eventual grandchildren. Racism (and all the other “isms”), as another person wrote above, is a sickness. It’s too bad we don’t have a Racism Anonymous. We could all finally belong.

She did not speculate much on how that difference was manifested or its source, but she made me think of a phenomenon I’ve noticed about black/white interactions when the black party is not an indigenous American. I observe that foreign born black Americans or African expats often have a somewhat different view, as compared to the native born, of the legacy of our peculiar institution, both as regards the obstacles presented to blacks in our society, and the ways in which those obstacles operate, or not, in their own lives. It also seems to me that white Americans are less prejudiced against foreign blacks than against fellow, home grown black Americans. That may explain to some extent the difference in perception by foreign born blacks of the degree of discrimination they experience here personally (often, I gather, less), on account of their skin color.

I’m not sure what this says about American racism, but it recalled to me an amusing incident (one of the few light moments), recorded in REPORTING CIVIL RIGHTS (part one, Library of America), titled “Everybody Eats But Americans.” In 1961 the author, George Collins, and his team of black reporters from the Baltimore AFRO-AMERICAN newspaper, posed as the principal (finance minister, His Highness Orfa Adwiba) and entourage of a delegation from the supposed east African nation of Goban. Dressed appropriately and variously in “traditional” African regalia, diplomatic attire or livery, they rented a Cadillac limo and went in search of lunch in Maryland, allegedly en route from D.C. to a high level meeting in New York. To make a long story short, they were served cordially, albeit somewhat confusedly, in two of the three whites-only restaurants they entered. (The third appeared to be legitimately closed between lunch and supper, when they arrived; the hostess courteously dissuaded them from going to another restaurant across the street: “He -His Highness- wouldn’t want to eat there; it’s for truckers.”).

It may be an odd fact, perhaps nearly as true now as in the days of Jim Crow, that some white Americans have much less of a problem with black people, as such, than with “their own.” (My use of that proprietary epithet is intentional and, regrettably, material.) Makes me wonder if Obama’s exoticism was a factor in his surprising acceptance by so many whites; “he’s not really one of THEM.”

it is hard to believe that President Obama got support from blacks or whites, in the State of Virginia, where the confederacy is alive and well. In my opinion my books are basically banned in the upper echelons of Virgina. I now understand how Marian Anderson felt when she was locked out of Constitution Hall.