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	<title>Comments on: Cheers and Jeers: Alcohol in America [rebroadcast]</title>
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		<title>By: Sam Diener</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam Diener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 04:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello,

I enjoy listening to your wide-ranging program, as usual. I was especially fascinated by the discussion of the conjunction of racism and prohibition, which I wasn&#039;t familiar with before.

However, I was surprised to hear the response to the 24 year old when the topic of the history of controlling teenage and young adult alcoholism came up. The hosts seemed to say that teenage drinking only became an acknowledged problem in the 20th century.

However, Thomas Jefferson did not and would not have agreed. According to a document from the U of Virginia&#039;s President&#039;s office (www.virginia.edu/president/kenanscholarship/.../jenny_graves.pdf or http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=1&amp;cad=rja&amp;ved=0CDAQFjAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginia.edu%2Fpresident%2Fkenanscholarship%2Fwork%2Farchive_files%2Fjenny_graves.pdf&amp;ei=TwzEUKT-Kqf-0gGo-ICADA&amp;)usg=AFQjCNGM4wrQBzGccGhjRRxJqyZcJ9o6IQ), (though I don&#039;t know the provenance of the this document and it&#039;s not footnoted), one of the reason Jefferson wanted to start the UVA was because of the, &quot;riotous behavior he witnessed as a student at the College of William and Mary.&quot;

However:

&quot;At the time of Jefferson’s death in 1826 it was widely believed that the University of
Virginia was a failure, a hotbed for heathens, and a place riddled with student rebellions.
One critic of the University stated, “ I regard the University of Virginia as a school of
infidelity- a nursery of bad principles.” Indeed in 1826 UVA student John Carter wrote,
“Here nothing is more common than to see a student so drunk as to be unable to walk.”
The unruly students, almost all of whom were the sons of wealthy Virginia planters, often
engaged in drunken riots.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>I enjoy listening to your wide-ranging program, as usual. I was especially fascinated by the discussion of the conjunction of racism and prohibition, which I wasn&#8217;t familiar with before.</p>
<p>However, I was surprised to hear the response to the 24 year old when the topic of the history of controlling teenage and young adult alcoholism came up. The hosts seemed to say that teenage drinking only became an acknowledged problem in the 20th century.</p>
<p>However, Thomas Jefferson did not and would not have agreed. According to a document from the U of Virginia&#8217;s President&#8217;s office (www.virginia.edu/president/kenanscholarship/&#8230;/jenny_graves.pdf or <a href="http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;rct=j&#038;q=&#038;esrc=s&#038;source=web&#038;cd=1&#038;cad=rja&#038;ved=0CDAQFjAA&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginia.edu%2Fpresident%2Fkenanscholarship%2Fwork%2Farchive_files%2Fjenny_graves.pdf&#038;ei=TwzEUKT-Kqf-0gGo-ICADA&#038;amp" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&#038;rct=j&#038;q=&#038;esrc=s&#038;source=web&#038;cd=1&#038;cad=rja&#038;ved=0CDAQFjAA&#038;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.virginia.edu%2Fpresident%2Fkenanscholarship%2Fwork%2Farchive_files%2Fjenny_graves.pdf&#038;ei=TwzEUKT-Kqf-0gGo-ICADA&#038;amp</a> <img src='http://backstoryradio.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> usg=AFQjCNGM4wrQBzGccGhjRRxJqyZcJ9o6IQ), (though I don&#8217;t know the provenance of the this document and it&#8217;s not footnoted), one of the reason Jefferson wanted to start the UVA was because of the, &#8220;riotous behavior he witnessed as a student at the College of William and Mary.&#8221;</p>
<p>However:</p>
<p>&#8220;At the time of Jefferson’s death in 1826 it was widely believed that the University of<br />
Virginia was a failure, a hotbed for heathens, and a place riddled with student rebellions.<br />
One critic of the University stated, “ I regard the University of Virginia as a school of<br />
infidelity- a nursery of bad principles.” Indeed in 1826 UVA student John Carter wrote,<br />
“Here nothing is more common than to see a student so drunk as to be unable to walk.”<br />
The unruly students, almost all of whom were the sons of wealthy Virginia planters, often<br />
engaged in drunken riots.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: TR Jahns</title>
		<link>http://backstoryradio.org/cheers-and-jeers-alcohol-in-america-rebroadcast/comment-page-1/#comment-77048</link>
		<dc:creator>TR Jahns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2012 07:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The program is very educational and thought-provoking.   I would have liked to hear more about the development of organized crime around alcohol in the Prohibition era and maybe in other historical periods.  Also, I think it&#039;s important to at least touch on research and the science of alcohol&#039;s effects, and how our understanding of its effects has influenced both alcohol consumption and public policy about it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The program is very educational and thought-provoking.   I would have liked to hear more about the development of organized crime around alcohol in the Prohibition era and maybe in other historical periods.  Also, I think it&#8217;s important to at least touch on research and the science of alcohol&#8217;s effects, and how our understanding of its effects has influenced both alcohol consumption and public policy about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Prohibition Ends! Did you know..? &#171; The Ebell of Los Angeles Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prohibition Ends! Did you know..? &#171; The Ebell of Los Angeles Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] learn more about the history of alcohol in American, take a listen to BackStory with The American History Guys, read Vintage Spirits &amp; Forgotten Cocktails by Ted Haigh, or search online for Andrew [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] learn more about the history of alcohol in American, take a listen to BackStory with The American History Guys, read Vintage Spirits &amp; Forgotten Cocktails by Ted Haigh, or search online for Andrew [...]</p>
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		<title>By: kirk hipps</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk hipps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2012 01:03:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The program was very good. But in some ways I think we are missing the boat. Our puritanical culture isn&#039;t training us to be responsible drinkers. Age isn&#039;t the answer, a good example and guidance is. In some ways it&#039;s is like a learners permit for driving. In Germany they serve table beer to kids. It has almost no alcoholic content. In Italy and France there is table wine. In a Jewish household there is Kiddush on Friday night.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The program was very good. But in some ways I think we are missing the boat. Our puritanical culture isn&#8217;t training us to be responsible drinkers. Age isn&#8217;t the answer, a good example and guidance is. In some ways it&#8217;s is like a learners permit for driving. In Germany they serve table beer to kids. It has almost no alcoholic content. In Italy and France there is table wine. In a Jewish household there is Kiddush on Friday night.</p>
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		<title>By: Aimee Crane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aimee Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a fascinating story.  I really appreciated learning the history of alcohol use in American society, and especially the lasting impacts of Prohibition and the rural perspective regarding federal government intervention into home life.  The tragedy of the introduction of alcohol into Native American culture here in the US resonates deeply as I contemplate the destruction alcohol has wrought in those communities.  Euro-American culpability in the dismantling of healthy Native American culture cannot be overestimated.  Heaven help us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fascinating story.  I really appreciated learning the history of alcohol use in American society, and especially the lasting impacts of Prohibition and the rural perspective regarding federal government intervention into home life.  The tragedy of the introduction of alcohol into Native American culture here in the US resonates deeply as I contemplate the destruction alcohol has wrought in those communities.  Euro-American culpability in the dismantling of healthy Native American culture cannot be overestimated.  Heaven help us.</p>
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